Conversing

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A whirlwind occurs at the intersection of two weather masses of differing temperature and direction that spin into a brief but powerful force. The Conversing icon, above, is inspired by a painting by Fuller Seminary President Mark Labberton that hangs in his office, and is meant to evoke both the power of conversation and the turbulence of our times. As ambassador of Fuller, Labberton takes the occasion of his travels to speak with a broad spectrum of leaders on issues at the intersection of theology and culture.

Conversing
Conversing, episode on Political Civility with Richard Mouw and Mark Labberton

As ambassador of Fuller, Labberton takes the occasion of his travels to speak with a broad spectrum of leaders on issues at the intersection of theology and culture.

conversing logo

As ambassador of Fuller, Labberton takes the occasion of his travels to speak with a broad spectrum of leaders on issues at the intersection of theology and culture.

Conversing, episode on Political Civility with Richard Mouw and Mark Labberton
Latest Episode
Alexia Salvatierra

Alexia Salvatierra on Integral Mission

Alexia Salvatierra, assistant professor of integral mission and global transformation, shares about her personal journey of faith, the centrality of justice to the gospel, and the importance of holistic mission to contemporary theological education.

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Latest Episode
Alexia Salvatierra

Alexia Salvatierra on Integral Mission

Alexia Salvatierra, assistant professor of integral mission and global transformation, shares about her personal journey of faith, the centrality of justice to the gospel, and the importance of holistic mission to contemporary theological education.

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David Swanson

David Swanson on Race and Discipleship

David Swanson, pastor of New Community Covenant Church, considers racial reconciliation not as an optional ministry of the church but as a central part of the church’s identity—one which must be shaped over time by intentional discipleship.

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phil Armstrong

Phil Armstrong on the Tulsa Race Massacre

Phil Armstrong, project manager of the 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre Centennial Commission, speaks about the Tulsa Massacre—its historical context, the trauma and silencing that followed, and the current work of commemoration and education being done surrounding it.

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Robert Chao Romero

Robert Chao Romero on the Brown Church

Robert Chao Romero, professor of Chicana/o studies and Asian American studies at UCLA, shares about the long history of the Latina/o church and the necessity of a holistic gospel, which prioritizes both evangelism and social justice.

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Broderick Leaks

Broderick Leaks on Mental Health on the College Campus

Broderick Leaks (PhD ’09), director of counseling and mental health at USC Student Health and clinical associate professor of psychiatry and the behavioral sciences at the Keck School of Medicine of USC, describes the increasing mental health needs of emerging adults and the work of providing them meaningful support in the university context.

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mark Labberton and Brenda Salter McNeil

Brenda Salter McNeil on Reconciliation

Brenda Salter McNeil, speaker, author, and professor, talks about the long work of reconciliation, the need to speak truth, and the ongoing process of repentance, forgiveness, and justice guided by God’s Spirit.

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Jennifer Wiseman

Jennifer Wiseman on Astronomy

Jennifer Wiseman, astrophysicist and astronomer, delves into the complexity and beauty of the universe and explains how being scientifically informed relates to the flourishing and improvement of life.

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Walter Brueggemann

Walter Brueggemann on Reading the Old Testament

Walter Brueggemann, renowned author and Old Testament scholar, speaks about engaging the Biblical text with an artistic interpretive lens that resists universal generalizations, then participates in a Q&A with the Fuller community.

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Kerry Morrison

Kerry Morrison on Homelessness and Mental Health

Kerry Morrison, program director for Heart Forward LA, shares about her work on mental health with the homeless communities in LA and for her innovative and experimental approaches to taking on the broken systems.

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Vince Bantu

Vince Bantu on African American Identity and the Church

Vince Bantu, assistant professor of church history and Black Church studies, talks about the varied dynamics and histories of African American communities around the United States, Black experience in the American church, and his own journey of reclaiming identity through African history and Christianity.

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Cedric WIlliams

Cedric Williams on Meaning-Making

Cedric Williams (PhD ’19), founder and CEO of Legacy Consulting & Research Group, talks about his layered experiences of the military, ministry, and psychology, and about his current work of walking alongside others in the process of meaning-making.

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Andre Henry

Andre Henry on Systemic Racism

Andre Henry (MAT ’16), writer, singer-songwriter, and activist, shares his personal journey of learning about systemic racism and explains the active and prophetic work he’s taken up against it.

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Dwight Radcliff

Dwight Radcliff on Black Pain

Dwight Radcliff, assistant provost for the William E. Pannell Center for African American Church Studies, speaks about the systems of oppression and generational trauma that plague Black communities and challenges the church to own a theology that responds rightly to suffering rather than dismissing it.

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Tony Amoury Alkhoury

Tony Amoury Alkhoury on Anxiety

Tony Amoury Alkhoury, PhD student in practical theology, shares about his experience of growing up with anxiety and what he’s learned about living in the tension between fear and the reality of God’s presence.

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Greg Cootsona

Greg Cootsona on Faith and Science

Greg Cootsona, author, co-director of Science for the Church, and lecturer in religious studies and humanities at CSU Chico, discusses the relationship between faith and science and explores how a church’s approach to science shapes its work and witness.

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Scott Derrickson

Scott Derrickson on Fear

Scott Derrickson, director and screenwriter of The Exorcism of Emily Rose and Doctor Strange, reflects on his journey as a filmmaker and the significance of reckoning with fear.

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andy crouch

Andy Crouch on Trust in a Time of Change

Andy Crouch, author and Fuller trustee, discusses the dramatic changes the world is undergoing during this time of pandemic, focusing on how communities of trust help us navigate grief and the reconfiguration of our lives.

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Daniel Lee

Daniel Lee on Anti-Asian American Racism

Daniel D. Lee, assistant provost for the Center for Asian American Theology and Ministry, speaks about the history of racism against Asian Americans and the racism Asian American communities are currently experiencing during this ongoing pandemic.

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Beth Moore

Beth Moore on Growth

Beth Moore, author, speaker, and founder of Living Proof Ministries, considers the biblical imagery of the vineyard and what it can teach us about how we grow over time and through seasons of change and trial.

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Andrew Root

Andrew Root on Belief in a Secular Age

Andrew Root, professor and Carrie Olson Baalson Chair of Youth and Family Ministry at Luther Seminary, talks about what encountering transcendence looks like in contemporary secular contexts.

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Peter Wehner

Peter Wehner on Politics

Peter Wehner, author and senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, discusses the intersections of faith and politics and considers how to pursue truth and justice in a divided world.

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Sonja Dawson

Sonja Dawson on Justice

Sonja Dawson, head pastor of New Mt. Calvary Church, shares about her experiences doing restorative justice work—both during her years as a prosecutor and during her present calling as a pastor.

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Bobette Buster

Bobette Buster on Story and Sound

Bobette Buster, writer and producer, who has consulted for Disney, Pixar, and Sony, among other major studios, discusses sound design in the film industry and the powerful role sound plays in storytelling.

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Mary Glenn on Grief

Mary Glenn, affiliate professor with the School of Intercultural Studies, discusses her work as a law enforcement chaplain, her non-profit, Cities Together, and how she helps individuals process grief

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Keri Tombazian

Keri Tombazian on Finding Her Voice

Keri Tombazian, actress, producer, and voice actress, discusses the journey of her famed career and how she ultimately found her voice

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Norma Ramírez, Lisseth Rojas-Flores, and Sonia Luginbuhl

Norma Ramírez, Lisseth Rojas-Flores, and Sonia Luginbuhl on DACA

Norma Ramírez, with Dr. Lisseth Rojas-Flores and Pastor Sonia Luginbuhl, talks about growing up undocumented and about her experience as a Fuller PhD student under the DACA policy (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals).

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Pam King

Pamela Ebstyne King on Thriving

Pamela Ebstyne King, Peter L. Benson Associate Professor of Applied Developmental Science, discusses how community and purpose contribute to human development and flourishing.

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Nick Vujicic

Nick Vujicic on Faith

Nick Vujicic, evangelist and author, speaks about his life without limbs, his early struggles of finding hope in God, and his understanding of faith and ministry today.

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Justin Fung and Delonte Gholston

Justin Fung and Delonte Gholston on Pastoring and Peacemaking

Pastors Delonte Gholston (MDiv ’15) and Justin Fung (DMin ’19) speak about pastoring in Washington DC and on peacemaking amid the realities of sociopolitical violence.

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Phil Chen on Technology

Phil Chen, decentralized chief officer at HTC, explores the intersections of theology and emerging digital technology—covering topics like cryptocurrency, virtual reality, and data privacy.

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Bethany Hoang Kristen Johnson

Bethany Hanke Hoang and Kristen Deede Johnson on Justice

Bethany Hanke Hoang and Kristen Deede Johnson, coauthors of The Justice Calling: Where Passion Meets Perseverance, talk about living a sustainable life of working toward justice over the long term.

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Jamar Tisby

Jemar Tisby on Race and the American Church

Jemar Tisby, author of The Color of Compromise: The Truth About the American Church’s Complicity in Racism, discusses the history of racial inequality in the United States and in the American church.

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Teesha and John

Teesha Hadra and John Hambrick on Race

Teesha Hadra and John Hambrick, coauthors of Black and White: Disrupting Racism One Friendship at a Time, discuss issues of race and the practices of empathy, humility, and leaving one’s comfort zone.

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Tony Hale

Tony Hale on the Creative Life and Process

Tony Hale, Emmy Award-winning actor, chats about his career in the entertainment industry and how the creative process shapes his understanding of humanity and identity.

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Roy Goble on Wisdom

Roy Goble, author of Junkyard Wisdom and Salvaged, talks about learning from failure, measuring success, and engaging with the gospel in the wider world.

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Fuller's Chapel Team

Fuller’s Chapel Team on Worship

Director of chapel Julie Tai and chapel assistants January Lim and Aaron Dorsey discuss the planning process for chapel services and the significance of diverse representation in worship.

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David Bailey

David Bailey on Reconciliation

David Bailey, founder and executive director of Arrabon, shares about his work in racial reconciliation and the need for the church to repair society’s broken systems.

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Nancy Ortberg

Nancy Ortberg on Leadership

Nancy Ortberg, CEO of Transforming the Bay with Christ, talks about courage in leadership and the church’s need to stay engaged in the difficult conversations.

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David Brooks

David Brooks on Community and Commitment

David Brooks, cultural commentator and columnist for The New York Times, discusses social transformation and the power of commitment in forming communities.

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John K. Chan

John K. Chan on Architecture

John K. Chan, founder of Formation Association and lead architect of Fuller’s new campus, explains how buildings influence and activate the community around them.

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Kara Powell and Steve Argue

Kara Powell and Steve Argue on Parenting

Fuller Youth Institute’s Kara Powell and Steve Argue discuss the role of empathy in parenting and the ever-shifting challenges facing young adults in today’s culture.

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andy bales (conversing)

Andy Bales on Homelessness

Andy Bales, CEO of Union Rescue Mission, reflects on homeless advocacy, what led him to his current work, and serving people on Skid Row at great personal cost.

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Boyle at Conversing

Gregory Boyle on Kinship

Father Greg Boyle, founder of Homeboy Industries, reflects on decades of ministry and widening a circle of compassion beyond every barrier we build.

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Audrey Conversing

Audrey Denney on Politics

Audrey Denney, a 2018 congressional candidate in California, reflects on the impact of women activists, encountering defeat, and grappling with the Paradise, CA fires.

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Mitali Perkins on Justice and Literature

Mitali Perkins, celebrated children’s author, reflects on India, politics, and writing stories about characters who navigating cultural difference.

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John Ortberg (Conversing Headshot)

John Ortberg on Discipleship

John Ortberg, senior pastor at Menlo Church and Fuller trustee, reflects on his own vocation as a preacher and writer and how practices of discipleship can transform the human person.

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Beth Moore (headshot)

Beth Moore on Women in Leadership and Misogyny

Beth Moore reflects on how she developed an authentic style of teaching that ministers to thousands of women, and her battle against misogyny in the church.

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Lauralee Farrer (conversing)

Lauralee Farrer on Storytelling and Filmmaking

Lauralee Farrer, Fuller’s Chief Storyteller and Vice President of Communications, discusses her life as a storyteller and independent filmmaker, FULLER studio, and helping shape Fuller’s story.

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Ben Houltberg on conversing

Ben Houltberg on Sports

Ben Houltberg, associate professor of human development, reflects on working with elite athletes, performance-based identity, and the role of community in sports.

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John Perkins on Conversing

John Perkins on Friendship

Civil rights activist John M. Perkins reflects on his storied life and the role of friendship in looking for love and justice.

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Parker Palmer (Conversing)

Parker Palmer on Contemplation

Parker Palmer, celebrated Quaker author and speaker, reflects on a contemplative approach to life, the value of failure, and the difficult work of weaving together words and action.

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Dave Gibbons

Dave Gibbons on the Changing Church

Dave Gibbons, pastor of the Newsong global alliance of churches, reflects on disruption, risk, and the cultivating an imagination for the future of the church.

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Rich Stearns

Rich Stearns on Faithful Philanthropy

Rich Stearns, president of World Vision U.S., reflects on international development, insights from his leadership, and the whole gospel.

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Tim Breene on Global Ministry

Tim Breene, CEO of World Relief, reflects on humanitarian aid, empowering the local church to serve, and the “obedient Improvisation” of navigating sociopolitical problems to serve those in need.

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Shirley Hoogstra

Shirley Hoogstra on Faith and Learning

Shirley Hoogstra, president of the Council for Christian Colleges & Universities, reflects on the complex social and political pressures on Christian higher education.

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Rowan Williams (headshot)

Rowan Williams on Navigating Faith and Politics

Right Reverend Rowan Williams reflects on complex religious and political cross-pressures and the spiritual disciplines that sustain him .

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Conversing on a Theology of Place

Brad Brisco and Lance Ford on a Theology of Place

Church planters Brad Brisco and Lance Ford reflect on a theology of place and an expanded view of what it means to participate in God’s mission.

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Conversing with Paul Schrader

Paul Schrader on Film

Screenwriter and director Paul Schrader reflects on his Christian upbringing and how the unique language of film—especially the transcendental style—helps him explore religious questions.

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Tara Beth on Conversing

Tara Beth Leach on Women in Ministry

Tara Beth Leach, senior pastor of First Church of the Nazarene of Pasadena, reflects on the complexities of preaching, female leadership, and how she finds comfort in Christ’s love of the outsider.

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Cameron Lee on Conversing

Cameron Lee on Relationships

Cameron Lee, professor of marriage and family studies, reflects on relationships through the lens of romance culture, the complexities of social media, community, and peacemaking.

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Kate Bowler (headshot)

Kate Bowler on Suffering

Kate Bowler, assistant professor of the history of Christianity in North America at Duke Divinity School, reflects on the prosperity gospel, her cancer diagnosis, and her desire for authentic faith.

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Gary Haugen and Mark Labberton at Conversing

Gary Haugen on Working with the Poor

Gary Haugen, founder and CEO of International Justice Mission (IJM), reflects on his work in Rwanda, the story of IJM, and how spiritual formation naturally leads to advocating for the poor.

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Michael McBride

Michael McBride on Discipleship

Michael McBride, pastor of the Way Christian Center in Berkeley, California, reflects on faithful discipleship in the context of racialized violence, economic exploitation, and white supremacy.

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Pete Docter

Pete Docter on Storytelling

Pixar’s Pete Docter, director of the animated films Monsters, Inc., Up, and Inside Out, speaks with Mark Labberton about creating stories in community, the creative process, and more.

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David Eubank on War Zone Ministry (Conversing)

David Eubank on War Zone Ministry

David Eubank shares lessons on fear and prayer from decades of work as an “ambassador for Jesus” in war-torn Burma and Mosul.

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Camille Wooden and Len Tang on Church Planting

Camille Wooden, senior pastor of Abundant Life Covenant Bible Church, and Len Tang, director of Fuller’s Church Planting Program, reflect on committing to neighbors and challenges of church planting.

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Bishop Zac

Bishop Zac Niringiye on Justice

The Rt. Rev. Dr. D. Zac Niringiye, a theologian and activist, explores the gospel, justice, and taking faithful risks for marginalized people in global contexts.

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Alan Hirsch on Rediscovering Holistic Ministry

Alan Hirsch, celebrated missiologist and author, reflects on his conversion and how Christian communities can revitalize their ministries.

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Bill Hwang on the Communal Reading of Scripture

Bill Hwang, Fuller trustee and founder of Archegos Capital Management, reflects on his work and his vision for listening to scripture in community.

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Jacquelline Fuller (conversing)

Jacquelline Fuller on Humble Philanthropy

Jacquelline Fuller, president of Google.org, considers the complex intersections of public policy, technology, and philanthropy.

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Russell Moore Conversing

Russell Moore on Courage

Russell Moore, president of the Southern Baptist Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, reflects with President Labberton on courage and public life.

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J Kameron Carter on Conversing (2)

J. Kameron Carter on Black Poetics

In this episode of “Conversing,” theologian and writer J. Kameron Carter discusses the complex interplay between racial logic and theology.

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Dave Evans

Dave Evans on Designing a Life of Faith

In this episode of “Conversing,” writer Dave Evans applies the discipline of design to the search for a meaningful life and discusses the “collaborative process” of following God’s will.

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Albert Tate on Pastoral Authenticity

In this episode of “Conversing,” pastor Albert Tate reflects on navigating the complexities of pastoral ministry.

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Mimi Haddad (headshot)

Mimi Haddad on Gender Equality

Mimi Haddad, president of Christians for Biblical Equality, discusses gender equality and women in leadership.

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Jeanelle and Lindsey (headshots)

Jeanelle Austin and Lindsey Wright on Gender Bias

Jeanelle Austin (MDiv ’13) and Lindsey Wright (MAT ’12) reflect on implicit bias, gender dynamics in the church and workplace, and their hopes for the future.

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Willie Jennings on Race

Willie Jennings, associate professor of systematic theology and Africana studies at Yale Divinity School, discusses race with Dr. Labberton and reframes social problems around a theology of place.

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Wayne Gordon

Wayne L. Gordon on Community

Wayne L. Gordon, chairman of the Christian Community Development Association, discusses with Dr. Labberton the unexpected partnerships that arise as communities respond to Christ’s call for justice.

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John Perkins (headshot)

John M. Perkins on Legacy

Civil rights activist John M. Perkins talks with Dr. Labberton about the role of protest in a life of faith and how he supports a new generation of leaders advocating for social change.

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Krista Tippett

Krista Tippett on Wisdom

Krista Tippett, founder and host of public radio’s program On Being, reflects with Dr. Labberton on her conversations with cultural leaders and the role of wisdom in shaping public discourse.

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Vincent Bacote

Vincent Bacote on Virtues of Political Leadership

Vincent Bacote, director of the Center for Applied Christian Ethics at Wheaton College, reflects with Drs. Labberton and Richard Mouw on virtues of political leadership during a fraught election.

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Richard Mouw Missiology Lecture

Richard Mouw on Political Civility

Richard Mouw, president emeritus and professor of faith and public life, discusses civil dialogue with Dr. Labberton and how Christians with differing political commitments can work together.

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