
A whirlwind occurs at the intersection of two weather masses of differing temperature and direction that spin into a brief but powerful force. The Conversing icon, above, is inspired by a painting by Fuller Seminary President Emeritus Mark Labberton, and is meant to evoke both the power of conversation and the turbulence of our times. As ambassador of Fuller, Labberton takes the occasion of his travels to speak with a broad spectrum of leaders on issues at the intersection of theology and culture.


As ambassador of Fuller, Labberton takes the occasion of his travels to speak with a broad spectrum of leaders on issues at the intersection of theology and culture.

As ambassador of Fuller, Labberton takes the occasion of his travels to speak with a broad spectrum of leaders on issues at the intersection of theology and culture.

Latest Episode
Latest Episode
Pete Docter on Soul
Pete Docter, writer, director, and chief creative officer of Pixar, shares the story behind his latest movie, Soul, and talks about its themes of purpose, beauty, and connection. Mark Labberton served as a faith advisor for the film. (This episode contains spoilers.)
+ ListenDavid Swanson on Race and Discipleship
David Swanson, pastor of New Community Covenant Church, considers racial reconciliation not as an optional ministry of the church but as a central part of the church’s identity—one which must be shaped over time by intentional discipleship.
+ ListenPhil Armstrong on the Tulsa Race Massacre
Phil Armstrong, project manager of the 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre Centennial Commission, speaks about the Tulsa Massacre—its historical context, the trauma and silencing that followed, and the current work of commemoration and education being done surrounding it.
+ ListenRobert Chao Romero on the Brown Church
Robert Chao Romero, professor of Chicana/o studies and Asian American studies at UCLA, shares about the long history of the Latina/o church and the necessity of a holistic gospel, which prioritizes both evangelism and social justice.
+ ListenBroderick Leaks on Mental Health on the College Campus
Broderick Leaks (PhD ’09), director of counseling and mental health at USC Student Health and clinical associate professor of psychiatry and the behavioral sciences at the Keck School of Medicine of USC, describes the increasing mental health needs of emerging adults and the work of providing them meaningful support in the university context.
+ ListenBrenda Salter McNeil on Reconciliation
Brenda Salter McNeil, speaker, author, and professor, talks about the long work of reconciliation, the need to speak truth, and the ongoing process of repentance, forgiveness, and justice guided by God’s Spirit.
+ ListenJennifer Wiseman on Astronomy
Jennifer Wiseman, astrophysicist and astronomer, delves into the complexity and beauty of the universe and explains how being scientifically informed relates to the flourishing and improvement of life.
+ ListenWalter Brueggemann on Reading the Old Testament
Walter Brueggemann, renowned author and Old Testament scholar, speaks about engaging the Biblical text with an artistic interpretive lens that resists universal generalizations, then participates in a Q&A with the Fuller community.
+ ListenKerry Morrison on Homelessness and Mental Health
Kerry Morrison, program director for Heart Forward LA, shares about her work on mental health with the homeless communities in LA and for her innovative and experimental approaches to taking on the broken systems.
+ ListenCedric Williams on Meaning-Making
Cedric Williams (PhD ’19), founder and CEO of Legacy Consulting & Research Group, talks about his layered experiences of the military, ministry, and psychology, and about his current work of walking alongside others in the process of meaning-making.
+ ListenAndre Henry on Systemic Racism
Andre Henry (MAT ’16), writer, singer-songwriter, and activist, shares his personal journey of learning about systemic racism and explains the active and prophetic work he’s taken up against it.
+ ListenDwight Radcliff on Black Pain
Dwight Radcliff, assistant provost for the William E. Pannell Center for African American Church Studies, speaks about the systems of oppression and generational trauma that plague Black communities and challenges the church to own a theology that responds rightly to suffering rather than dismissing it.
+ ListenTony Amoury Alkhoury on Anxiety
Tony Amoury Alkhoury, PhD student in practical theology, shares about his experience of growing up with anxiety and what he’s learned about living in the tension between fear and the reality of God’s presence.
+ ListenGreg Cootsona on Faith and Science
Greg Cootsona, author, co-director of Science for the Church, and lecturer in religious studies and humanities at CSU Chico, discusses the relationship between faith and science and explores how a church’s approach to science shapes its work and witness.
+ ListenScott Derrickson on Fear
Scott Derrickson, director and screenwriter of The Exorcism of Emily Rose and Doctor Strange, reflects on his journey as a filmmaker and the significance of reckoning with fear.
+ ListenAndy Crouch on Trust in a Time of Change
Andy Crouch, author and Fuller trustee, discusses the dramatic changes the world is undergoing during this time of pandemic, focusing on how communities of trust help us navigate grief and the reconfiguration of our lives.
+ ListenDaniel Lee on Anti-Asian American Racism
Daniel D. Lee, assistant provost for the Center for Asian American Theology and Ministry, speaks about the history of racism against Asian Americans and the racism Asian American communities are currently experiencing during this ongoing pandemic.
+ ListenBeth Moore on Growth
Beth Moore, author, speaker, and founder of Living Proof Ministries, considers the biblical imagery of the vineyard and what it can teach us about how we grow over time and through seasons of change and trial.
+ ListenAndrew Root on Belief in a Secular Age
Andrew Root, professor and Carrie Olson Baalson Chair of Youth and Family Ministry at Luther Seminary, talks about what encountering transcendence looks like in contemporary secular contexts.
+ ListenPeter Wehner on Politics
Peter Wehner, author and senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, discusses the intersections of faith and politics and considers how to pursue truth and justice in a divided world.
+ ListenKeri Tombazian on Finding Her Voice
Keri Tombazian, actress, producer, and voice actress, discusses the journey of her famed career and how she ultimately found her voice
+ ListenNorma Ramírez, Lisseth Rojas-Flores, and Sonia Luginbuhl on DACA
Norma Ramírez, with Dr. Lisseth Rojas-Flores and Pastor Sonia Luginbuhl, talks about growing up undocumented and about her experience as a Fuller PhD student under the DACA policy (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals).
+ ListenNick Vujicic on Faith
Nick Vujicic, evangelist and author, speaks about his life without limbs, his early struggles of finding hope in God, and his understanding of faith and ministry today.
+ ListenJustin Fung and Delonte Gholston on Pastoring and Peacemaking
Pastors Delonte Gholston (MDiv ’15) and Justin Fung (DMin ’19) speak about pastoring in Washington DC and on peacemaking amid the realities of sociopolitical violence.
+ ListenPhil Chen on Technology
Phil Chen, decentralized chief officer at HTC, explores the intersections of theology and emerging digital technology—covering topics like cryptocurrency, virtual reality, and data privacy.
+ ListenBethany Hanke Hoang and Kristen Deede Johnson on Justice
Bethany Hanke Hoang and Kristen Deede Johnson, coauthors of The Justice Calling: Where Passion Meets Perseverance, talk about living a sustainable life of working toward justice over the long term.
+ ListenJemar Tisby on Race and the American Church
Jemar Tisby, author of The Color of Compromise: The Truth About the American Church’s Complicity in Racism, discusses the history of racial inequality in the United States and in the American church.
+ ListenTeesha Hadra and John Hambrick on Race
Teesha Hadra and John Hambrick, coauthors of Black and White: Disrupting Racism One Friendship at a Time, discuss issues of race and the practices of empathy, humility, and leaving one’s comfort zone.
+ ListenTony Hale on the Creative Life and Process
Tony Hale, Emmy Award-winning actor, chats about his career in the entertainment industry and how the creative process shapes his understanding of humanity and identity.
+ ListenRoy Goble on Wisdom
Roy Goble, author of Junkyard Wisdom and Salvaged, talks about learning from failure, measuring success, and engaging with the gospel in the wider world.
+ ListenFuller’s Chapel Team on Worship
Director of chapel Julie Tai and chapel assistants January Lim and Aaron Dorsey discuss the planning process for chapel services and the significance of diverse representation in worship.
+ ListenDavid Bailey on Reconciliation
David Bailey, founder and executive director of Arrabon, shares about his work in racial reconciliation and the need for the church to repair society’s broken systems.
+ ListenNancy Ortberg on Leadership
Nancy Ortberg, CEO of Transforming the Bay with Christ, talks about courage in leadership and the church’s need to stay engaged in the difficult conversations.
+ ListenDavid Brooks on Community and Commitment
David Brooks, cultural commentator and columnist for The New York Times, discusses social transformation and the power of commitment in forming communities.
+ ListenJohn K. Chan on Architecture
John K. Chan, founder of Formation Association and lead architect of Fuller’s new campus, explains how buildings influence and activate the community around them.
+ ListenKara Powell and Steve Argue on Parenting
Fuller Youth Institute’s Kara Powell and Steve Argue discuss the role of empathy in parenting and the ever-shifting challenges facing young adults in today’s culture.
+ ListenAndy Bales on Homelessness
Andy Bales, CEO of Union Rescue Mission, reflects on homeless advocacy, what led him to his current work, and serving people on Skid Row at great personal cost.
+ ListenGregory Boyle on Kinship
Father Greg Boyle, founder of Homeboy Industries, reflects on decades of ministry and widening a circle of compassion beyond every barrier we build.
+ ListenAudrey Denney on Politics
Audrey Denney, a 2018 congressional candidate in California, reflects on the impact of women activists, encountering defeat, and grappling with the Paradise, CA fires.
+ ListenMitali Perkins on Justice and Literature
Mitali Perkins, celebrated children’s author, reflects on India, politics, and writing stories about characters who navigating cultural difference.
+ ListenJohn Ortberg on Discipleship
John Ortberg, senior pastor at Menlo Church and Fuller trustee, reflects on his own vocation as a preacher and writer and how practices of discipleship can transform the human person.
+ ListenBeth Moore on Women in Leadership and Misogyny
Beth Moore reflects on how she developed an authentic style of teaching that ministers to thousands of women, and her battle against misogyny in the church.
+ ListenLauralee Farrer on Storytelling and Filmmaking
Lauralee Farrer, Fuller’s Chief Storyteller and Vice President of Communications, discusses her life as a storyteller and independent filmmaker, FULLER studio, and helping shape Fuller’s story.
+ ListenBen Houltberg on Sports
Ben Houltberg, associate professor of human development, reflects on working with elite athletes, performance-based identity, and the role of community in sports.
+ ListenJohn Perkins on Friendship
Civil rights activist John M. Perkins reflects on his storied life and the role of friendship in looking for love and justice.
+ ListenParker Palmer on Contemplation
Parker Palmer, celebrated Quaker author and speaker, reflects on a contemplative approach to life, the value of failure, and the difficult work of weaving together words and action.
+ ListenDave Gibbons on the Changing Church
Dave Gibbons, pastor of the Newsong global alliance of churches, reflects on disruption, risk, and the cultivating an imagination for the future of the church.
+ ListenRich Stearns on Faithful Philanthropy
Rich Stearns, president of World Vision U.S., reflects on international development, insights from his leadership, and the whole gospel.
+ ListenTim Breene on Global Ministry
Tim Breene, CEO of World Relief, reflects on humanitarian aid, empowering the local church to serve, and the “obedient Improvisation” of navigating sociopolitical problems to serve those in need.
+ ListenShirley Hoogstra on Faith and Learning
Shirley Hoogstra, president of the Council for Christian Colleges & Universities, reflects on the complex social and political pressures on Christian higher education.
+ ListenRowan Williams on Navigating Faith and Politics
Right Reverend Rowan Williams reflects on complex religious and political cross-pressures and the spiritual disciplines that sustain him .
+ ListenBrad Brisco and Lance Ford on a Theology of Place
Church planters Brad Brisco and Lance Ford reflect on a theology of place and an expanded view of what it means to participate in God’s mission.
+ ListenPaul Schrader on Film
Screenwriter and director Paul Schrader reflects on his Christian upbringing and how the unique language of film—especially the transcendental style—helps him explore religious questions.
+ ListenTara Beth Leach on Women in Ministry
Tara Beth Leach, senior pastor of First Church of the Nazarene of Pasadena, reflects on the complexities of preaching, female leadership, and how she finds comfort in Christ’s love of the outsider.
+ ListenCameron Lee on Relationships
Cameron Lee, professor of marriage and family studies, reflects on relationships through the lens of romance culture, the complexities of social media, community, and peacemaking.
+ ListenKate Bowler on Suffering
Kate Bowler, assistant professor of the history of Christianity in North America at Duke Divinity School, reflects on the prosperity gospel, her cancer diagnosis, and her desire for authentic faith.
+ ListenGary Haugen on Working with the Poor
Gary Haugen, founder and CEO of International Justice Mission (IJM), reflects on his work in Rwanda, the story of IJM, and how spiritual formation naturally leads to advocating for the poor.
+ ListenMichael McBride on Discipleship
Michael McBride, pastor of the Way Christian Center in Berkeley, California, reflects on faithful discipleship in the context of racialized violence, economic exploitation, and white supremacy.
+ ListenPete Docter on Storytelling
Pixar’s Pete Docter, director of the animated films Monsters, Inc., Up, and Inside Out, speaks with Mark Labberton about creating stories in community, the creative process, and more.
+ ListenDavid Eubank on War Zone Ministry
David Eubank shares lessons on fear and prayer from decades of work as an “ambassador for Jesus” in war-torn Burma and Mosul.
+ ListenCamille Wooden and Len Tang on Church Planting
Camille Wooden, senior pastor of Abundant Life Covenant Bible Church, and Len Tang, director of Fuller’s Church Planting Program, reflect on committing to neighbors and challenges of church planting.
+ ListenBishop Zac Niringiye on Justice
The Rt. Rev. Dr. D. Zac Niringiye, a theologian and activist, explores the gospel, justice, and taking faithful risks for marginalized people in global contexts.
+ ListenAlan Hirsch on Rediscovering Holistic Ministry
Alan Hirsch, celebrated missiologist and author, reflects on his conversion and how Christian communities can revitalize their ministries.
+ ListenJacquelline Fuller on Humble Philanthropy
Jacquelline Fuller, president of Google.org, considers the complex intersections of public policy, technology, and philanthropy.
+ ListenRussell Moore on Courage
Russell Moore, president of the Southern Baptist Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, reflects with President Labberton on courage and public life.
+ ListenJ. Kameron Carter on Black Poetics
In this episode of “Conversing,” theologian and writer J. Kameron Carter discusses the complex interplay between racial logic and theology.
+ ListenDave Evans on Designing a Life of Faith
In this episode of “Conversing,” writer Dave Evans applies the discipline of design to the search for a meaningful life and discusses the “collaborative process” of following God’s will.
+ ListenAlbert Tate on Pastoral Authenticity
In this episode of “Conversing,” pastor Albert Tate reflects on navigating the complexities of pastoral ministry.
+ ListenMimi Haddad on Gender Equality
Mimi Haddad, president of Christians for Biblical Equality, discusses gender equality and women in leadership.
+ ListenJeanelle Austin and Lindsey Wright on Gender Bias
Jeanelle Austin (MDiv ’13) and Lindsey Wright (MAT ’12) reflect on implicit bias, gender dynamics in the church and workplace, and their hopes for the future.
+ ListenWillie Jennings on Race
Willie Jennings, associate professor of systematic theology and Africana studies at Yale Divinity School, discusses race with Dr. Labberton and reframes social problems around a theology of place.
+ ListenWayne L. Gordon on Community
Wayne L. Gordon, chairman of the Christian Community Development Association, discusses with Dr. Labberton the unexpected partnerships that arise as communities respond to Christ’s call for justice.
+ ListenJohn M. Perkins on Legacy
Civil rights activist John M. Perkins talks with Dr. Labberton about the role of protest in a life of faith and how he supports a new generation of leaders advocating for social change.
+ ListenKrista Tippett on Wisdom
Krista Tippett, founder and host of public radio’s program On Being, reflects with Dr. Labberton on her conversations with cultural leaders and the role of wisdom in shaping public discourse.
+ ListenVincent Bacote on Virtues of Political Leadership
Vincent Bacote, director of the Center for Applied Christian Ethics at Wheaton College, reflects with Drs. Labberton and Richard Mouw on virtues of political leadership during a fraught election.
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It is Fuller’s practice to allow conversations with our guests to be uncensored as a gesture of engagement in civil dialogue—a value to which Fuller Theological Seminary is deeply committed. We invite you to listen with hospitality, realizing that guests reflect their own views and not necessarily views in harmony with the stated mission of Fuller.